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as he searches for a big legislative win before his 100 days are up. is health care back on? >> we'll see what happens. but this is a great bill. plus the mar-a-lago loophole, two former south american presidents secretly meet with president trump at his resort. has his club become a way for people to get off the books introduces? we're going to begin this morning with new details just coming in after that deadly attack in paris. president trump tweeting just a short time ago, quote, another terrorist attack in paris. the people of france will not take much more of this. will have a big effect on the presidential elect. that election is closely watched because one of the front runners has been called the donald trump of france. our correspondent and guests are standing by to cover it all. first i want to take you live to paris where matt bradley is standing by. first talk about the attack,
what is the latest authorities are telling us? >> thanks, stephanie. the latest is authorities have released the name of the attacker, he was slain last night, his name karim cheurfi, he's 39 years old and he killed that police officer just behind me on the champs-elysees. now they've actually investigated his house and arrested three members of his family last night. stephanie? >> how is this attack going to actually affect the presidential election? many have said this is going to get people more and more concerned, it's going to directly affect if le pen wins, what do you think? >> that's a great question, and we don't really know. but this attack could not have come at a more critical and decisive time. the campaigning set to end at midnight tonight and already in the past 24 hours, marine le pen, the far right candidate as you mentioned, the donald trump of france, she's been trying to take advantage of this. she's actually called on the current government to block all of france's borders and to take all of those people who are
under suspicion of terrorism at large in france to be brought in by police. that's a populist measure and unlikely the government would follow through with doing something like that, and the prime minister himself, has actually called out marine le pen and accused her of exploiting terror in the name of politics. so it's a very, very messy election. it's all coming to a head on sunday. for the most really the closest presidential election in modern french history. stephanie? >> extraordinary. i want to bring my panel to weigh in. we have a good one, mike peska the host of slate's daily podcast "the gist" and caitlin daily burns is a reporter for clear politics and the author of "nuclear showdown north korea takes on the world." good morning, gordon, i want to start with you, marine le pen has often been called the donald trump of france, given her anti-immigrant policies. could this attack actually give
her a boost? snufl >> you would think so because it feeds into the narrative that has been part of her campaign. she wants to close the borders, she is very anti-muslim, and clearly when you have this, it reminds voters why she's there. and we call her the donald trump of france. well she was actually in trump tower before the inning into gration. we couldn't -- inauguration. we don't know what she was doing there but fascinating to see her there. such a close connection with then president-elect trump. >> given that close connection when president trump tweets out that attack could have a big effect on the election, clearly he's wink wink nod nodding see, it's those immigrants. >> exactly. presidents have a tradition, right, of not engaging in foreign elections, but he as you mentioned, has kind of a relationship with le pen, he's also, you know, at a point where he proposed a muslim ban, a ban -- an immigration ban twice that's still being challenged in courts. i wouldn't be surprised if they tried to use this to kind of
give them more backing, even though they don't have the answers, but also we know from donald trump, that he talks about, he said yesterday, this is a terrorist attack without direct confirmation of it yet. we saw them do that during the campaign. so you can see him trying to gen up support for his angle on this. >> all right. then, michael the way you look at this, if she does win, can that get translated as a win for trump? >> well, maybe. she is in some ways the donald trump of france because of her nativist policies and she's an extremely well-known political quantity and her father she hasn't talked to for two years ran and came in second, was in a a runoff and trounced by jacques chirac. there are four candidates in double digits and we might be seeing her getting some more support but that doesn't mean she'll get over the 50% threshold. >> if she does, if she wins given that so many people around the world have been aghast saying how could president trump have these views, global
citizenship is what's most important, if she wins is that a feather in his cap that more people do support these ideas? >> it's a populist win, part of the populist wave if it happens. i'm doubting that just looking at the statistics it's going to happen. she will probably be in the runoff and see how it plays out then. >> is it a win for trump if she wins? >> in a sense it is because she wants to take france out of the european union which would completely destroy the organization. also, you know, he was -- trump was supported by the people who supported brexit, so you start to see these connections. they're not direct connections one-on-one, but nonetheless, there's a mood and a sense, and you get the feeling from trump's tweet that he really wants to see le pen win. i think you put it all together and it doesn't look good for people who want the eu, for instance. >> i would say more than a feeling from trump's tweet. he would really like her to win. president trump, he's also focused on his 100th day in office. you know he likes numbers.
it's fast approaching one week from tomorrow. in fact, his administration appears to be playing down expectations as the president is still searching for a big win on health care, but the president did manage to score a major victory overnight by securing freedom for an american charity worker who was imprisoned in egypt for nearly three years. i want to take you to nbc's kristen welker at the white house for details. kristen, break this down for us? >> this is significant, stephanie. the administration was able to secure the release of aya hijazi, 30-year-old aide worker who had been imprisoned in egypt since may of 2014 on child abuse and trafficking charges. charges that have been broadly dismissed by the global community. this is something that president obama had tried to do. he wasn't able to do it. in part because remember, he had barred the president of egypt from the white house, due to human rights abuses. well president trump really trying to re-set relations with egypt. you recall that president el sisi was here in april, so
that's part of what got the ball rolling on this, but this is something that the human rights community here in the united states has been pushing for since that date in 2014. so it's not just aya hijazi, her husband was released, the united states sending a plane to cairo overnight, landed back here at andrews air force base about 10:00, she is going to be here along with her brother i am told according to a white house official meeting with not only the president, but ivanka trump and jared kushner as well. so this is a significant victory for the white house as the president approaches that 100 day mark. but again, the re-set with egypt controversial, something that will certainly be up for debate in the coming days, stef? >> that is a win, great to see her making her way back to u.s. shores. why do you think the obama administration could not get her home and trump could? >> i think because the previous administration was really focused on shiite iran and what
trump has done and is arguable whether it's a good thing or not but he certainly has reoriented american policy back to the sunni world. he's repairing relationships with egypt, as well as with saudi arabia and the gulf states. you know, they saw trump yesterday talk about iran violating the spirit of the nuclear deal. you had tillerson, the secretary of state, the day before, go after iran. so this is clearly part of a long-term strategy to reorient american foreign policy and because of that, i think the egyptians said we got to now start working with the americans and so, therefore, they had to release her. >> all right, does it support the idea there is a strategy? because there's been so much criticism saying, well, there's no real strategy, there's confusion, president trump goes month after month calling china a currency manipulator and wakes up and says, not anymore. nato is out, now nato is in. if you think about the aircraft carrier in north korea, the direction it was headed in, we've had a week saying they're in a hot mess, they don't know what they're doing and they said
we absolutely do, we just don't need to tell you. >> i think the -- >> does getting this woman released show maybe they're on to something? >> i think the most applicable theory of the case is he is a transactional president. he has signalled less of a problem with el sisi than obama did. maybe obama you can't point to the gains he got by showing american displeasure with crackdowns on human rights, trump welcomes him into the white house, tweets or speaks congrat laytively to erdogan, less of a problem with the strong men. in return, he might get a person released, a highly visible signal. that doesn't mean there's a strategy. what does that mean for the millions of egyptians somewhat oppressed by el sisi. what does that mean for the sunnis? mattis meeting with if you want to talk about the sunnis, meeting with saudi arabia. they're huge revales with egypt. how does that clarify the sunni re-set. these are two large countries that are always clashing. >> there are thousands of people that are going to continue to
suffer, yesterday, today, and likely tomorrow, and today, we have a woman who came home? >> yeah. but human rights is a long-term process. and so this is one signal. to me it's a little like the dozens of carrier plant workers who got a job. it's a nice symbol. what does it mean for the thousand, millions who are in that situation? >> caitlin, that is -- you know, to michael's point, there's so much more that needs to be done and it is a tremendous win to have this woman come home, but it is one woman. the 100 day mark is fast approaching, besides an extraordinary amount of executive orders, what's really gotten done? >> exactly. and -- >> did you notice i nailed the executive order? >> yeah. >> that's the signature right on the mark. >> show it too. >> exactly. >> which one of you is getting the pen. >> to your point about trump being a transactional president that is what this kind of 100-day mark is. there's still lots of questions about what's on the other side of that transaction as it
pertains to egypt. 1900 day marc it's a phony deadline that presidents have instituted but this president has very much focussed on this deadline. he made a point to make a speech during the campaign of what he would do in the first 100 days. he's now trying to re-set expectations. we know the white house team really wants this to be a big win in terms of going on the 100 days next week and saying these are all the things he did. 100 days comes at a time that congress will be kind of battling each other over a possible government shutdown. the timing here is very difficult. health care, tax reform, all of these things he said he wanted to do, that's why they're trying to put forth a vote in congress and congress is like, we are not close to this at all so there's this disconnect there. this is all about the branding of it. look what we've done in 100 days. >> will president trump use foreign policy as his 100-day win. >> i don't think he can do that. he has a lot of things in
process and it is transaction you get a sense of asia and in the middle east he's going to certain goals, but you can't say it's going to be a win. we're involved in long-term struggles, not just year struggles, decade struggles, maybe more than that. so no, there's no 100 day win. >> all right then. we have to take a quick break. gordon thank you, kristen welker, thanks. up next, president trump voices optimism over potential new deal on health care. looking at a possible vote as early as next week, as caitlin put it, maybe not. a democratic member of the house joins us next on how he plans to stop it, but first, as we told you yesterday, sarah palin joined kid rock and ted nugent for dinner at the white house. how the three of them together -- this one is like ted nugent, kid rock and sarah palin walk into a bar, but no, it was in the white house for dinner. >> president trump called to
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republicans to pass a measure to replace obamacare as early as next week. republicans from both the moderate wing of the party and the freedom caucus might be closing in on a compromise, but with congress currently in recess and with the mounting april 28th deadline to fund the government, this could be a tall order. i want to bring in congressman david sis lienny of rhode island, the chair of the democratic policy and communications committee. congressman, good morning. what specifically are you hearing about this possible new republican plan? >> well, despite what the president just said, this plan gets worse and worse and worse. the republican plan to repeal the affordable care act will mean 24 million americans will lose their health insurance, premiums and out-of-pocket expenses will go up, older americans will face a crushing test because it will cost them more, the new plan will undermine the protection for preexisting conditions, deep cuts in medicare, and medicaid
to finance a tax cut for the wealthiest americans. tonight 400 richest families will get $700 million in tax cuts. what the republicans are saying the improvement they claimed to have made is to allow states a mechanism to be relieved of the requirement that insurance companies cover preexisting conditions. so if that's their big improvement over terrible plan, the american people certainly will reject it. this is a terrible plan, it will hurt people in my state, the affordable care act has meant 94% of rhode islanders are covered with health insurance the highest rate in a long time. this is working and although democrats are willing to work together to strengthen and improve the affordable care act the republican appeal and new version is something we will fight hard against. >> you agree it needs work. voters spoke throughout the election saying that the affordable care act needs work, what have democrats done to offer that change? i mean, you got some states with only one option? >> sure. i mean look there's definitely things we can do in terms of
helping to bring the cost of prescription drugs down, to increase competition in places that need it with a public option. there are a number of good suggestions out there. the reality is the republicans for the last 7 1/2 years, have tried to repeal or gut obamacare in its entirety. 50 or 60 votes -- >> do you have those changes inked and ready to roll? >> we absolutely, look, democrats have always been willing to say look this is a complicated bill, no bill is perfect, there's always room to make it work better for the american people. we've always been willing to do that. we need a partner on the other side. when the effort has been under way 50 or 60 times to repeal it in its entirety when they knew they had a democratic president who would veto that, now they have a president that says he will sign it and it's like the dog who caught the car, they don't know what to do. they should give up on this idea of repeal, commit to working with democrats to strengthen and make improvements in it so it can even better serve the american people. this is working in many parts of the country very successfully
and, of course, there are always ways you can make something work better, but the republicans have been committed to repealing it, so they can finance a big tax cut for the wealthiest americans. that's something we will never agree to. >> i want to talk about financing something else. white house budget director mulvaney told the a.p. he wants funding for that border wall included in a spending bill as well as funds to hire additional immigration agents. any shot he's going to get what they're looking for? >> look, the president's skinny budget which what is nick mulvaney described, has been rejected by, obviously, the democrats, but also many republicans. this is a budget that makes deep cuts in education, science and research, health care, environmental protection, arts, humanities, to fund a border wall and more border enforcement, where his own secretary of homeland security said that by itself is not enough to secure our borders. this is not the answer. >> if he sticks to this, he won't budge, are we headed for a
government shutdown? >> well look, the republicans have to, you know, understand they have the responsibility to govern and we have one week to keep the government open. they ought to put aside these very, very divisive issues, be responsible in terms of their leadership responsibilities in the congress, put forth a budget that will keep the government open and a resolution to do that and avoid these divisive issues where there's not support in the congress. >> one thing -- >> they're responsible for keeping the government open. we're, obviously, willing partners. democrats are about governing and doing the right thing for the american people. they ought to do the same. >> i want to talk foreign policy for a moment. president trump, he seems to be ramping up his effort to get out of that iran nuclear deal. yesterday he said that iran failed to fulfill the spirit of the deal. what was your response when you heard that? >> well, i mean, i think this is another problem with the current trump administration. you have different agencies
saying things different than the white house. we need some consistent messaging and consistency in our foreign policy. the state department certified in a recent correspondent that ooirp has complilds with the terms and conditions. you don't know what the point of the president's saber rattling is. maybe he promised on day one he was going to rip up the iran deal and now the state department said iran is complying and we have prevented iran from being a nuclear power which is very important. we need to push back hard op iran in terms of their activities and their destabilizing activities in the region, but it's much easier to push back on a country that doesn't have nuclear capability. this is important. they have complied with it. it has secured iran from not becoming a nuclear power and it's an odd statement from the president when his own state department confirmed in writing that iran has complied with the terms and conditions of the jcpoa. it's confusing to our allies, p5 plus 1 allies that helped
negotiate that deal, confusing to the rest of the world who tries to figures out what is the position of the united states and i think it's just another example of where the president doesn't have a consistent policy, he doesn't have a fully staffed up state department or defense department, and he seems to have -- not have in place a decision making process that's rationale and predictable and shoots from the hip. that's very, very disturbing and can have a negative effect on the foreign policy. >> he would make the argument he doesn't necessarily need it or unpredictability is one of his skills. he likes to surprise people. what's your take then on the fact that -- >> yeah -- >> he was able to bring that aide worker home, that's a big deal, she was there for three years? >> sure. look, i don't think unpredictability and instability is good in foreign policy. our allies and our adversaries need to understand the united states says what it means and has a consistent policy and
reassure our allies on important issues. we're playing with serious issues here. you're talking about nuclear weapons, nuclear armed state like north korea, important alliances around the world, i think predictability, honesty, and consistency, matter. i think the president overvalues his sort of own erad ikts unpredictability behavior. that is not useful in the long term in our position in the world. >> thanks so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> next president trump planning to sign two new presidential orders today on tax reform after a volatile couple of days on the street, how are global markets going to open? we will have the opening bell in less than five minutes. before a quick update, president george h.w. bush remains in the hospital but he got a special visit from his son, president george w. bush, this tweet warmed my heart, big morale boost from a high-level delegation, no father has ever
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i'm stephanie ruhle. you're watching msnbc, your morning primer everything you need to know to get your day started. we begin in arkansas where convicted riddle lee was put to death in the first execution in more than a decade. arkansas plans to execute three more men before the supply of a lethal injection drug expires at the end of the month. >> we're learning about the suspected terrorist that killed one police officer and injured two others on the crowded champs-elysees in paris thursday night. the gunman identified as karim cheurfi was a french national and isis fighter. the justice department is reportedly preparing to criminally charge founder of wikileaks, the president changed his tune on julian assange for revealing sensitive government information, possible charges include conspiracy and theft of government property. three police officers were shot while responding to a robbery at a convenience store in downtown seattle thursday. one of the three suspects is
dead. and the other two were taken into custody. and i hope you saw this game. you can't even be a lebron hater. the cleveland cavaliers made an nba playoff history last night, king lebron james led the team to a victory after being down 25 points at halftime to take a 3-0 lead over the indiana pacers. man. all right my favorite topic, money, power, politics. as a new york stock exchange opens just one minute ago, we are getting some more information on what treasury secretary steven mnuchin is previewing as, quote, the most significant change to the tax code since reagan. >> when are we going to see the plan? >> soon, very soon. very soon. >> what -- >> and just to be clear, we hope this won't take until the end of the year. >> okay. >> so we're very focused on it. big priority for the president. >> the market spiked after those comments. the dow saw a 172-point increase
yesterday. and in just hours, president trump is expected to sign an executive order aimed at reducing tax burdens, i need know what that means, we're bringing in cnbc contributor ron insana with my panel mike and caitlin. ron. >> yes. >> yes, the market went up quite a bit but the markets had drastic swings this week. what's up with that? >> i think there's a great deal of uncertainty over not just the domestic policy but political policies and developments in overseas markets as well. the french election upcoming concerns about the degree to which the brexit could be disruptive going forward, early elections in britain, north korea, a whole host of factors have been weighing on the market. it did get a boost several different trump administration officials talked about tax reform and health care reform being reignited and revived the anim animal spirits of the market. >> discussed but nothing has been penned. we've seen quite a bit of executive orders and i want to get into what they exactly mean. as far as legislation, i mean steve mnuchin said less than a week ago, august is too
aggressive, doesn't look like we're going to get it done. when president trump wasn't releasing his taxes again and people were talking about it that could hold things up. suddenly he's saying we're going to get things soon. why does the market still continue to be confident based on promises, because promises are all we've gotten. >> hope springs eternal. in so far as the administration plans, although congress may not agree, with an attempt to revive health care, the savings from which are needed to finance tax reform, to the extent that they can move that ball forward, the market deems it a positive. >> why does the market believe it? great, president trump says, we're talking health care again. he said a lot of things in this world. why does the market, you know, smart market, why does the market say great they're talking health care again. why do they think it's going to get signed? >> i don't know. and this 174-point gain yesterday comes after two declines of over 100 points. we're really net flat and have been now for about six weeks. the market really hasn't moved all that much because it has taken a pause on concerns that
the president's agenda is not moving forward quickly enough and there are so many distractions, stepping on the message so frequently, that this has really delayed the process of implementing tax reform in particular, as quickly as treasury secretary mnuchin said earlier in the year, by the august recess, now by the end of 2017. >> how long is the lag? when we think about the executive orders, specifically around things like tax reform, we've seen small business sentiment, for example, spike since the election, small businesses excited about the idea of deregulation. president trump has said for every new regulation we get rid of two. linda mcmahon, head of the sba said deregulation will lep us. what is that deregulation. what is it going to look like, who is it going to help and what is it going to impact? when you watch the town halls, when people have to go back to their home state no one is suddenly saying i've opened a store and hired people. the party is going on. >> it's a holiday. i think what we need to do is decouple the idea that how main street is going and wall street
is going. there are a little correlated but not as much as the president would have us believe. and he also says this shows all the confidence. i think it's very rationale for wall street firms to have confidence. everything he's proposing would cut taxes and give them a lot of profits. over the last 10, 20 years we've seen a divergence of regular people in wall street. >> also cuts the compliance burdens of wall street firms if you roll back dodd/frank. that takes a legislative action. >> how long this takes. >> i understand. >> you're not seeing jp morgan fire, you know, 500 compliance officers, no one is doing that, not to mention as it relates to dodd/frank or the volker rule, we watched big bank ceo after ceo say we're cleaning better and tighter since dodd/frank and that regulatory capture has only helped those guys. >> and talking about rolling back the department of labor fi dur areary standard rule which demands advisers' put customers
first. if you could afford to investment in it you could investment in it. every firm has invested in compliance to meet those rules. those have been delayed for at least 60 days, if not put off altogether. the compliance burden isn't coming down because all the firms have staffed up to meet them and now most wall street firms feel that they should treat their customers interests ahead of their own. it is a mixed bag. if there were to be radical deregulation the costs would fall back rather quickly and accrue to the banks' bottom line or financial service company bottom line. they're hoping for some of that, some blend of that would reduce their costs and boost their earnings. as yet that has not really impacted their business. >> and when you're talking about, you know, getting actual legislation done, the calendar is increasingly shrinking, right. we've just -- we're coming off a recess, they have to deal as we mentioned with the budget, tax reform, the president said that they had to do health care before tax reform. they're trying to sound these optimistic tones when congress knows better. and then you head into an august recess where you have, you know,
six weeks where lawmakers are at home talking to their constituents, wondering what are the tangible benefits they're seeing if there are any and then you're getting into 2018. come back to washington and getting into 2018. so when you're looking at doing things legislatively you can see why the president is trying to do all these executive orders. >> when you look at health care reform and whatever new package appears to be circulating, it may be worse than the last package that was offered. they're talking about short charging more for people with preexisting conditions, knocking them completely off the insurance rolls altogether. >> what president trump promised over and over he was going to keep. >> they're hoping to get cost savings there. they would if they did those things but it would be as we said, highly unpopular in town hall meetings because people would be losing insurance left and right. >> governing is hard. >> it is. >> who knew. >> no one knew. no one knew how complicated health care is. it's my favorite line. >> next, how two formal world leaders got a chance to shake hands with president trump at
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book meetings. kristen welker is live at the white house. >> stef, let me tell you what the white house is saying about all of this. first the miami herald reporting that the president had that meeting at mar-a-lago with two past presidents of colombia to discuss the future of the country. i spoke to a senior administration official last night who said it's not true. he says that the president briefly encountered these two past presidents, that they were invited to the club by a member of mar-a-lago, that the president shook their hands, greeted them. i am told the whole encounter just lasted a few minutes. the broader picture which you point out, what does it mean that the president of the united states can meet with two former leaders and the press doesn't find out about it until several days later? some people sort of referring to this as the mar-a-lago loophole. i asked a senior administration official about that very point. the pushback from the white house is that look, the president can encounter leaders
outside of the white house. that effectively this could happen whether he's at mar-a-lago or a summit or any other location, but stef, the bottom line is if you have world leaders coming to the white house likely the press would be aware of it, would see them entering. there would be some record of it. in this instance, this was something, again, that the press learned about after the fact. expect a lot more digging and questions to be raised about all of this. >> all right. i want to bring my panel in. president trump saw any of these leaders at the white house what would be missing is the $200,000 it costs to join mar-a-lago. that $200,000 that goes to president trump. president trump, one of the things he said on the campaign trail, he wasn't being paid by special interest groups. he wasn't taking money from them. he owed nothing to no one. but here we are, the special interest president trump has, is the interest in his own business. so the guy who has said no lobbyists in my house, what does this mean that even if it was a walk by, a drive by, 200 gs gets
you a possible meeting with the president? >> there's so many questions involved and, you know, the white house'srgument he can run into someone anywhere that's different. if you're at a summit, doing anything related to the white house, of course, you are -- everything is documented. certain protections built in. there's not that at mar-a-lago. >> what summit are opposition leaders rolling in. >> right. you have republican lawmakers saying maybe he shouldn't spend as much time down at mar-a-lago as he is not to mention the taxpayer involvement in this. the payments to send him there every weekend when this is going on. you had people like joanie earnings, republican of iowa, strong supporter spoke at the convention said he should spend more time in washington than he is at mar-a-lago because of these kinds of concerns. >> i'm sure i know how you feel but when does it become a tangible problem for the president? joni ernst has said it, more and more people offended and don't like it. when does it matter? trump is smiling while he eats
chocolate cake. >> it mattered when he shook those guys hands. if you're president you want to meet with people officially signaling the power of the office. you can have an off the record and back channel communication. who set this meeting? did the white house set this meeting? or did these colombian former presidents who are against the peace deal there, by the way, also against what existing american policy is to fund the peace deal, who is setting the president's agenda? and that's the huge question. who knows if trump will change his mind or even has an opinion about the colombia peace deal. but if this nudged him a little bit, that's terrible. that's terrible process. and it's a terrible message. >> well, eric trump said that look at mar-a-lago like the bush family's ranch in texas and i don't know, maybe there's a lot of -- >> who was invited to the ranch. >> there's not that club fee. >> chopping trees down. all right, next giant marches planned tomorrow in washington, d.c., and around the world, to defend science. we're going to bust some myths
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for science. the main march will take place along the national mall in d.c., but satellite marches are taking place across the country and take a look, even around the world. in fact there will be 517 satellite marches taking place across the globe on saturday. the nonpartisan and that's what's important, the nonpartisan event hopes to make science a nonpartisan issue calling on lawmakers to listen to proven facts when enacting policies. one person who is going to be marching is someone i definitely recognize from his hit show on discovery "myth busters." he's also going to be the keynote speaker at the san francisco march. he joins me now. adam savidge. why exactly are you doing this march? in response to anything in particular? >> we live in a time where people are passing legislation like in north carolina to not pay attention to science when making legislation about coastal water levels rising. that is absolutely ludicrous and
and anti, anti-human. that's why i'm marching. >> when you talk about this march for science a lot of focus going to be on climate change, but besides climate change as the main issue, what other issues do you want to put in the forefront that we might not pea thinking about? >> i want people to understand that science is not something that smart people are doing off in the corner just to create facts for us to know. it is an ongoing process by which humans make our world better. and although it's a stressful time politically, no matter which side of the aisle you fall on, all of us want the same thing. we want a better world for our kids and for our loved ones and for our future. and science and making policy based on, again, the best evidence we have is the way to achieve that. >> you worked with presidents before. you actually had president obama on your show. but, this march is nonpartisan. for anyone who wants to make the
argument, well, you worked with obama. you know, this is a protest. how do you make it clear that in no way is it anti-trump? >> i want to point out that i have a lot of fans who follow me, who love mythbusters who disagree with me politically and that is fine. i actually love that because, again, i feel like we're all starting from the same basic place of wanting a better world. i mean, that's a nonpartisan issue. wanting our kids to grow up in a better life than we had is a nonpartisan issue. and science is not some citadel in which people are sitting and making policies. it is an ongoing process of expl exploration. and it drives me crazy the idea that, well, science got it wrong. the fact is that science is a process of getting it wrong rigorously so we can keep moving it forward and getting it
incrementally better and better and better as we go. >> how important is it for the government to fund science and research? we heard from administration officials that science can exist, but companies can do it. that can be privately funded. how important is it for science and research to stay within the confines of the government? >> well, actually, it doesn't necessarily have to stay within the confines of the government, but it is absolutely vital that our government funds science because that helps science be nonpartisan and not beholding to a specific party like a company. the enemy of science isn't politics, not the ideology, it's bias. every scientist works to get past their own bias and every study seeks to get past gender bi bias, et cetera. that is an ongoing and developing process and, again, nonpartisan. when the government funds it, it helps scientists be completely neutral about the results they're coming to. >> as it relates to science and climate, how do you get people to stop thinking about the now
and think about the future? i'm talking about jobs. there are some issues. some are at odds over whether to stay in the paris climate agreement. there are some say that the agreements like this are killing jobs and putting unfair regulations on businesses and that's what's happening at this moment. how do you get people to understand that we need to think in the long term in the future? >> yeah, that is a fantastic question. ultimately, one of the fastest growing energy sectors in the united states is renewable energy. so, i don't see that the paris climate accords are killing jobs. i see that they are actually creating jobs and, obviously, we want our planet to survive so that we can live on it and that is the ultimate long-term goal. >> adam, i almost never end an interview after someone tells me that i had a fantastic question, i just really try to keep it going. but, up fortunately, we are out of time. thank you so much. good luck at your march tomorrow. and ielve in science.
>> we'll see you on the street. >> all right. >> maybe not. coming up, attorney general jeff sessions got into a bit of a tiff with our 50th state over some comments over a hawaiian judge blocking president trump's travel ban. >> i really am amazed a judge sitting in the pacific can issue -- >> in case that sound wasn't great for you. an island in the south pacific. talking about hawaii. well, a hawaiian senator responded on twitter saying, mr. attorney general, you voted for that judge and that island is called ed oahu. it is my home. have some respect. he appears with the senator of
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attacker. who he is, where he lives and how all of this will affect this weekend's presidential election there. plus the impact here at home. and back here, the white house is kind of doing a health care double take. looking for a win as the president barrels towards day 100. now, he's out with a new demand, a downpayment on that border wall with the deadline creeping closer. jeff sessions is down at the mexican border today for a tour of an immigration center in the golden state. he's in hot water in the aloha state. terrorism analyst and kelly cobbia in seoul and here in washington, big team, big day. first to paris. matt bradley is there. talk to us what we know about the person behind this attack and how the investigation is broadening out into other terror cells. >> well, thanks, hall